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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2008, 07:31:43 AM » |
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I wouldn't say that a DIR system is unsuited to Australian Cave diving. That is too much of a generalisation to make. It is certainly very useful for some caves, and unsuited for others. For example, as RN and KS will explain, dropping twin 12's into Dave's Cave is a bit silly. A single cylinder and stage, or a modified system of that, would be much more effective, due to difficult above water access.
And for the ocean, I think that a DIR rig is easily the best available for Deep OC ocean diving. Again, lets not focus on just equipment, but look at the system overall, including training, fitness, teamwork, etc.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2008, 10:15:57 AM » |
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I wouldn't say that a DIR system is unsuited to Australian Cave diving. That is too much of a generalisation to make. It is certainly very useful for some caves, and unsuited for others. For example, as RN and KS will explain, dropping twin 12's into Dave's Cave is a bit silly. A single cylinder and stage, or a modified system of that, would be much more effective, due to difficult above water access. And for the ocean, I think that a DIR rig is easily the best available for Deep OC ocean diving. Again, lets not focus on just equipment, but look at the system overall, including training, fitness, teamwork, etc. Ian, you are dancing around the point....the DIR system is specific inregard to DIVING, period...now you are saying it is the best for OC deep ocean diving...well here's a bulletin....OC is fast not becoming the favoured option for deep ocean diving so where does that leave your DIR system...most of the real ballsy deep ocean diving is being done successfully on CCR...actually not long ago I believe a DIR diver was taken from the 'Alert' by chopper paralised from the waste down (thank goodness alls well post treatment). the gyst of my posts is that GUE is very ignorant and dogmatic with their system and whilst it works very well, it is far from 100% (ok what is). Fitness is talked about all levels of dive training with all agencies but no other except GUE demand lifestyle changes (can you drink Red whilst on a fundies course?  ) Going back to my original question which none of the pro GUE lads/ladettes have answered with any conviction or justifiablility is why can't someone train successfully in GUE courses and wear a harness thats suits them? This hasn't been an intended GUE bash but a discussion of the few that know each other on this list. But I am interesteed in the responses from all. If someone could convince me that I will be a better safer and more comfortable diver than I am now then I WILL do a fundies course! (maybe even with ST) On... have JJ call me will you! H |
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2008, 10:39:37 AM » |
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I give up. Things being taken out of context, paraphrasing. etc. Of course rebreathers are useful and more so for deep diving. Just because someone has done GUE training, doesn't mean they cant get bent.
Alcohol use is discussed for obvious reasons, it's effects on hydration and overall fitness. Same as smoking.
PH, no one will bother wasting their time to convince you to do a course that clearly you have no interest in doing. Undertaking training, whatever it may be, requires some change. That's why you do training, to have additional skills and knowledge. You don't rock up to a Motorcycle course that says " Riders must wear leathers and a helmet " without Leathers and a helmet. Did you balk when you did your CavSink course about not being allowed to wear a snorkel ? What about twin cylinders ? Did you argue that you'd been diving a single cylinder for so long without problems that you shouldn't have to change how you do things ? Did you think Jarrod thought he could do an Inspo RB course by using a PRISM or KISS ? the point is, you know the equipment requirements, they are clearly laid out. If you're not going to be equiped like that, then dont do the course. Simple.
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2008, 11:15:57 AM » |
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I give up. Things being taken out of context, paraphrasing. etc. Of course rebreathers are useful and more so for deep diving. Just because someone has done GUE training, doesn't mean they cant get bent.
Alcohol use is discussed for obvious reasons, it's effects on hydration and overall fitness. Same as smoking.
PH, no one will bother wasting their time to convince you to do a course that clearly you have no interest in doing. Undertaking training, whatever it may be, requires some change. That's why you do training, to have additional skills and knowledge. You don't rock up to a Motorcycle course that says " Riders must wear leathers and a helmet " without Leathers and a helmet. Did you balk when you did your CavSink course about not being allowed to wear a snorkel ? What about twin cylinders ? Did you argue that you'd been diving a single cylinder for so long without problems that you shouldn't have to change how you do things ? Did you think Jarrod thought he could do an Inspo RB course by using a PRISM or KISS ? the point is, you know the equipment requirements, they are clearly laid out. If you're not going to be equiped like that, then dont do the course. Simple.
Ian your examples aren't relevent...we are not talking about a "harness' course (hmmm PADI could make some dosh from that perhaps). As for my cav sink I did it on a single tank back then (with a pony) cause you could in 1998. When I moved to twins I had no isse and like the idea of carrying more gas. When I went to twins I spoke to plenty of people, tried different ways bought a manifold and watch a number of time the JJ GI video (dvd not around then) of which I enjoyed until a few years later I realised that GI had fathered MK, DL, RN, KS, JC and many more and decided it wasn't for me. back in about 2000 when Paul Leslie started looking into GUE courses (back then ST still had something to gain from Paul so he was still hanging around him) he emailed me the blurb to do a course...once I read it I thought this is a dictatorship not a dive course (plus I don't look good with a shaved head in orange PJ's))"must have single webbing harness" "you can't do our course if you are a smoker", (or a careful JD and CL don't be flogs apparently...well f**k me now they are dictating lifestyle changes...hense why I diclined back then. Time went by (during which I met you in your transpac and torquoise womens DUI) I saw many divers fall victim to the GUE phenomina and change as divers(which is fine) but also as people...nup I am happy to learn but not become a zealot....So Ian there's a bit of history.....if GUE relaxed a smidge in areas that will not affect their idiologies then they WILL become inviting to people like myself and many other I'm sure.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2008, 01:20:09 PM » |
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PH Me give up too, but in closing you can be as "DIR" as you want to be, picking and choosing bits and pieces to build a hogarthian configuration. You broadened the post to include GUE, as per my previous response. Use what you like, just dont expect GUE to restructure their excellent training system to suit.  |
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2008, 04:17:53 PM » |
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Sorry, left one word of my previous post. *NON-GOOEY-DIVER*s |
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2008, 06:03:27 PM » |
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2008, 06:32:42 PM » |
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PH, in the words of The Panics "Don't fight it, you don't know what it is"
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2008, 06:41:16 PM » |
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PH Me give up too, but in closing you can be as "DIR" as you want to be, picking and choosing bits and pieces to build a hogarthian configuration. You broadened the post to include GUE, as per my previous response. Use what you like, just dont expect GUE to restructure their excellent training system to suit. you boys simply can't justify what you preach...I have asked basic questions and you have no answers for us.... |
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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2008, 10:11:46 PM » |
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I realise this may cause a small nuclear reaction, but why, if it is so obvious, can you GUE chaps not answer Harv's question? why does it need to be refered to Gideon? too obvious? And I'm surprised at the "it's too hard" response from you "fervid" Halcyon supprters! whilst it is known far and wide that Paul is a shit stirrer in the world class section of humanity!  Respect for that by the way, I know for a fact that you Karl for one, pride yorself for the exact same attitude, and Rick who is very committed to his diving and quite tolerant has gone the other way!! Mr Taylor the consumate teacher, one who seen both sides has suddenly lost one of those eyes? just an observation |
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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2008, 09:59:38 AM » |
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G'day Quigs!..i don't believe we have met but welcome!
yes it seems the boys go to ground when really they don't know why they do things other than they are simply told to by a higher power......it is a shame that some good brains go to waste and become just more members of the floc!!!! relating to my original question...if hyperthetically GUE supported quick release harnesses they would be using them and that is a fact (well???)...so their reasons for using webbing harnesses are not based on what they feel is right for them but doing as they are told!!!!
yes it is well known that Ian likes an each way bet when it comes to his divin ( whilst he is very good at it...for fuck sake make up your mind.
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ps by the way Ian is their any truth to the rumour going around that you are going to purchase a CCR next year (not very GUE of you?)
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